Mosiah 15

 
1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.
Trinitarian
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Mosiah 15:1-5

This seems very Trinitarian.

Some defend some seemingly Trinitarian Book of Mormon references as not contradicting current Mormon godhead doctrine (see The Doctrine of God the Father in the Book of Mormon), but in context of doctrine taught in the “Lectures on Faith” how sound is this defense?

From the “Lectures on Faith” that used to be in the Doctrine and Covenants until the 1921 edition: “The Father being a personage of spirit, glory, and power, possessing all perfection and fulness. The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, is a personage of tabernacle . . . He is called the Son because of the flesh . . . He, possessing the same mind with the Father, which mind is the Holy Spirit that bears record of the Father and the Son.” “Questions and Answers for Lecture 5? 3. Q—How many personages are there in the Godhead? A—Two: the Father and Son (Lecture 5: 1). 13. Q—Do the Father and the Son possess the same mind? A—They do . . . 14. Q—What is this mind? A—The Holy Spirit” (Lecture 5).

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2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son--
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Mosiah 15:1-5 This seems very Trinitarian. Some defend some seemingly Trinitarian Book of Mormon references as not contradicting current Mormon godhead doctrine (see [The Doctrine of God the Father in the Book of Mormon](https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/book-mormon-treasury/doctrine-god-father-book-mormon)), but in context of doctrine taught in the “Lectures on Faith” how sound is this defense? From the “Lectures on Faith” that used to be in the Doctrine and Covenants until the 1921 edition: “The Father being a personage of spirit, glory, and power, possessing all perfection and fulness. The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, is a personage of tabernacle . . . He is called the Son because of the flesh . . . He, possessing the same mind with the Father, which mind is the Holy Spirit that bears record of the Father and the Son.” “Questions and Answers for Lecture 5? 3. Q—How many personages are there in the Godhead? A—Two: the Father and Son (Lecture 5: 1). 13. Q—Do the Father and the Son possess the same mind? A—They do . . . 14. Q—What is this mind? A—The Holy Spirit” ([Lecture 5](https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/lectures-faith-historical-perspective/lectures-faith-1990-edited-version/lecture-5)).
3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--
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Mosiah 15:1-5 This seems very Trinitarian. Some defend some seemingly Trinitarian Book of Mormon references as not contradicting current Mormon godhead doctrine (see [The Doctrine of God the Father in the Book of Mormon](https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/book-mormon-treasury/doctrine-god-father-book-mormon)), but in context of doctrine taught in the “Lectures on Faith” how sound is this defense? From the “Lectures on Faith” that used to be in the Doctrine and Covenants until the 1921 edition: “The Father being a personage of spirit, glory, and power, possessing all perfection and fulness. The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, is a personage of tabernacle . . . He is called the Son because of the flesh . . . He, possessing the same mind with the Father, which mind is the Holy Spirit that bears record of the Father and the Son.” “Questions and Answers for Lecture 5? 3. Q—How many personages are there in the Godhead? A—Two: the Father and Son (Lecture 5: 1). 13. Q—Do the Father and the Son possess the same mind? A—They do . . . 14. Q—What is this mind? A—The Holy Spirit” ([Lecture 5](https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/lectures-faith-historical-perspective/lectures-faith-1990-edited-version/lecture-5)).
4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.
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Mosiah 15:1-5 This seems very Trinitarian. Some defend some seemingly Trinitarian Book of Mormon references as not contradicting current Mormon godhead doctrine (see [The Doctrine of God the Father in the Book of Mormon](https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/book-mormon-treasury/doctrine-god-father-book-mormon)), but in context of doctrine taught in the “Lectures on Faith” how sound is this defense? From the “Lectures on Faith” that used to be in the Doctrine and Covenants until the 1921 edition: “The Father being a personage of spirit, glory, and power, possessing all perfection and fulness. The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, is a personage of tabernacle . . . He is called the Son because of the flesh . . . He, possessing the same mind with the Father, which mind is the Holy Spirit that bears record of the Father and the Son.” “Questions and Answers for Lecture 5? 3. Q—How many personages are there in the Godhead? A—Two: the Father and Son (Lecture 5: 1). 13. Q—Do the Father and the Son possess the same mind? A—They do . . . 14. Q—What is this mind? A—The Holy Spirit” ([Lecture 5](https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/lectures-faith-historical-perspective/lectures-faith-1990-edited-version/lecture-5)).
5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, suffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation, but suffereth himself to be mocked, and scourged, and cast out, and disowned by his people.
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Mosiah 15:1-5 This seems very Trinitarian. Some defend some seemingly Trinitarian Book of Mormon references as not contradicting current Mormon godhead doctrine (see [The Doctrine of God the Father in the Book of Mormon](https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/book-mormon-treasury/doctrine-god-father-book-mormon)), but in context of doctrine taught in the “Lectures on Faith” how sound is this defense? From the “Lectures on Faith” that used to be in the Doctrine and Covenants until the 1921 edition: “The Father being a personage of spirit, glory, and power, possessing all perfection and fulness. The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, is a personage of tabernacle . . . He is called the Son because of the flesh . . . He, possessing the same mind with the Father, which mind is the Holy Spirit that bears record of the Father and the Son.” “Questions and Answers for Lecture 5? 3. Q—How many personages are there in the Godhead? A—Two: the Father and Son (Lecture 5: 1). 13. Q—Do the Father and the Son possess the same mind? A—They do . . . 14. Q—What is this mind? A—The Holy Spirit” ([Lecture 5](https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/lectures-faith-historical-perspective/lectures-faith-1990-edited-version/lecture-5)).
6 And after all this, after working many mighty miracles among the children of men, he shall be led, yea, even as Isaiah said, as a sheep before the shearer is dumb, so he opened not his mouth.
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7 Yea, even so he shall be led, crucified, and slain, the flesh becoming subject even unto death, the will of the Son being swallowed up in the will of the Father.
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8 And thus God breaketh the bands of death, having gained the victory over death; giving the Son power to make intercession for the children of men--
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9 Having ascended into heaven, having the bowels of mercy; being filled with compassion towards the children of men; standing betwixt them and justice; having broken the bands of death, taken upon himself their iniquity and their transgressions, having redeemed them, and satisfied the demands of justice.
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Compare this verse with "bowels of mercy" and Colossians 3:12 with "bowels of mercies". Notice how there are only 4 KJV bible verses that contain a variation of "bowels" and "mercy". Nothing is as close a match as the verse in Colossians 3. It's strange how Abinadi was so ahead of his time.

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10 And now I say unto you, who shall declare his generation? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for sin he shall see his seed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?
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11 Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord--I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the kingdom of God.
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12 For these are they whose sins he has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?
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13 Yea, and are not the prophets, every one that has opened his mouth to prophesy, that has not fallen into transgression, I mean all the holy prophets ever since the world began? I say unto you that they are his seed.
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14 And these are they who have published peace, who have brought good tidings of good, who have published salvation; and said unto Zion: Thy God reigneth!
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15 And O how beautiful upon the mountains were their feet!
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16 And again, how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those that are still publishing peace!
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17 And again, how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of those who shall hereafter publish peace, yea, from this time henceforth and forever!
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18 And behold, I say unto you, this is not all. For O how beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that is the founder of peace, yea, even the Lord, who has redeemed his people; yea, him who has granted salvation unto his people;
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19 For were it not for the redemption which he hath made for his people, which was prepared from the foundation of the world, I say unto you, were it not for this, all mankind must have perished.
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20 But behold, the bands of death shall be broken, and the Son reigneth, and hath power over the dead; therefore, he bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead.
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21 And there cometh a resurrection, even a first resurrection; yea, even a resurrection of those that have been, and who are, and who shall be, even until the resurrection of Christ--for so shall he be called.
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22 And now, the resurrection of all the prophets, and all those that have believed in their words, or all those that have kept the commandments of God, shall come forth in the first resurrection; therefore, they are the first resurrection.
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23 They are raised to dwell with God who has redeemed them; thus they have eternal life through Christ, who has broken the bands of death.
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24 And these are those who have part in the first resurrection; and these are they that have died before Christ came, in their ignorance, not having salvation declared unto them. And thus the Lord bringeth about the restoration of these; and they have a part in the first resurrection, or have eternal life, being redeemed by the Lord.
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But, the LDS Church does ordinances for the dead, even though according to this those who die in ignorance have eternal life, and according to Moroni 8:22-23, those who have not the law need not baptism.

-a-bom
25 And little children also have eternal life.
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26 But behold, and fear, and tremble before God, for ye ought to tremble; for the Lord redeemeth none such that rebel against him and die in their sins; yea, even all those that have perished in their sins ever since the world began, that have wilfully rebelled against God, that have known the commandments of God, and would not keep them; these are they that have no part in the first resurrection.
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27 Therefore ought ye not to tremble? For salvation cometh to none such; for the Lord hath redeemed none such; yea, neither can the Lord redeem such; for he cannot deny himself; for he cannot deny justice when it has its claim.
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Both this verse and 2 Timothy 2:13 contain the phrase "he cannot deny himself", which is unique within the KJV bible. Note that are only 2 instances of the shortened phrase "cannot deny", both being in the New Testament.

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28 And now I say unto you that the time shall come that the salvation of the Lord shall be declared to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people.
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29 Yea, Lord, thy watchmen shall lift up their voice; with the voice together shall they sing; for they shall see eye to eye, when the Lord shall bring again Zion.
Anachronism
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Mosiah 15:29-31

This is a quote of Isaiah 52:8-10. There seems to be a consensus among serious biblical scholars that this passage from Isaiah was written during the Babylonian exile, in other words, it appears to have been written after Lehi left Jerusalem.

“Modern scholarship considers the Book of Isaiah to be an anthology, the two principal compositions of which are the Book of Isaiah proper (chapters 1-39, with some exceptions), containing the words of the prophet Isaiah himself, dating from the time of the First Temple, around 700 BCE, and Second Isaiah (Deutero-Isaiah, chapters 40-66), comprising the words of an anonymous prophet, who lived some one hundred and fifty years later, around the time of the Babylonian exile”

(RationalWiki: Book of Isaiah).

It is also interesting to note that these verses were quoted just three chapters earlier in Mosiah 12:22-24.

-a-bom
30 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem; for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
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Mosiah 15:29-31 This is a quote of Isaiah 52:8-10. There seems to be a consensus among serious biblical scholars that this passage from Isaiah was written during the Babylonian exile, in other words, it appears to have been written after Lehi left Jerusalem. “Modern scholarship considers the Book of Isaiah to be an anthology, the two principal compositions of which are the Book of Isaiah proper (chapters 1-39, with some exceptions), containing the words of the prophet Isaiah himself, dating from the time of the First Temple, around 700 BCE, and Second Isaiah (Deutero-Isaiah, chapters 40-66), comprising the words of an anonymous prophet, who lived some one hundred and fifty years later, around the time of the Babylonian exile” ([RationalWiki: Book of Isaiah](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Book%5Fof%5FIsaiah)). It is also interesting to note that these verses were quoted just three chapters earlier in Mosiah 12:22-24.
31 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
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Mosiah 15:29-31 This is a quote of Isaiah 52:8-10. There seems to be a consensus among serious biblical scholars that this passage from Isaiah was written during the Babylonian exile, in other words, it appears to have been written after Lehi left Jerusalem. “Modern scholarship considers the Book of Isaiah to be an anthology, the two principal compositions of which are the Book of Isaiah proper (chapters 1-39, with some exceptions), containing the words of the prophet Isaiah himself, dating from the time of the First Temple, around 700 BCE, and Second Isaiah (Deutero-Isaiah, chapters 40-66), comprising the words of an anonymous prophet, who lived some one hundred and fifty years later, around the time of the Babylonian exile” ([RationalWiki: Book of Isaiah](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Book%5Fof%5FIsaiah)). It is also interesting to note that these verses were quoted just three chapters earlier in Mosiah 12:22-24.