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Lineage-DNA 31 More than 500 years after the Lehites left Jerusalem, Helaman claims the 2,000 stripling warriors are direct descendants of Lehi. | |
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Internally inconsistent - BoM 71 The people of Ammon were Lamanites converted to the gospel taught by Ammon. These Ammonites had covenanted never to take up weapons against anyone again (verse 11 and Alma 24:18). But starting in Alma 53:13, the Ammonites are concerned for the Nephites who are protecting them in war, so the Ammonites considered taking up weapons to wage war for the Nephites. Of course, the Nephites are concerned that the Ammonites might lose their souls if they break the covenant, so they figure out a work-around. The Ammonite sons who were too young to have made the covenant could wage war without jeopardizing their souls. Alma 53:22-23 tells us Helaman first marched with these young men (2,000 stripling soldiers) to battle at the end of the 28th year of the reign of the judges. This conflicts with Alma 56:7-9 that tells us Helaman marched with these 2,000 young warriors in the 26th year. | |
8 1 The people of Ammon were Lamanites converted to the gospel taught by Ammon. These Ammonites had covenanted never to take up weapons against anyone again (verse 11 and Alma 24:18). But starting in Alma 53:13, the Ammonites are concerned for the Nephites who are protecting them in war, so the Ammonites considered taking up weapons to wage war for the Nephites. Of course, the Nephites are concerned that the Ammonites might lose their souls if they break the covenant, so they figure out a work-around. The Ammonite sons who were too young to have made the covenant could wage war without jeopardizing their souls. Alma 53:22-23 tells us Helaman first marched with these young men (2,000 stripling soldiers) to battle at the end of the 28th year of the reign of the judges. This conflicts with Alma 56:7-9 that tells us Helaman marched with these 2,000 young warriors in the 26th year. | |
9 1 The people of Ammon were Lamanites converted to the gospel taught by Ammon. These Ammonites had covenanted never to take up weapons against anyone again (verse 11 and Alma 24:18). But starting in Alma 53:13, the Ammonites are concerned for the Nephites who are protecting them in war, so the Ammonites considered taking up weapons to wage war for the Nephites. Of course, the Nephites are concerned that the Ammonites might lose their souls if they break the covenant, so they figure out a work-around. The Ammonite sons who were too young to have made the covenant could wage war without jeopardizing their souls. Alma 53:22-23 tells us Helaman first marched with these young men (2,000 stripling soldiers) to battle at the end of the 28th year of the reign of the judges. This conflicts with Alma 56:7-9 that tells us Helaman marched with these 2,000 young warriors in the 26th year. | |
10 And I did join my two thousand sons, (for they are worthy to be called sons) to the army of Antipus, in which strength Antipus did rejoice exceedingly; for behold, his army had been reduced by the Lamanites because their forces had slain a vast number of our men, for which cause we have to mourn. | 10 |
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23 For we knew in those cities they were not sufficiently strong to meet them; therefore we were desirous, if they should pass by us, to fall upon them in their rear, and thus bring them up in the rear at the same time they were met in the front. We supposed that we could overpower them; but behold, we were disappointed in this our desire. | 23 |
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29 1 The narrative of Helaman and the stripling warriors (in Alma 56:29-56) bears a notable resemblence to the story of Paul being shipwrecked (in Acts 27:7-24). First compare verse 56 with "there had not one soul of them fallen to the earth" speaking of the miraculous survival of the stripling warriors to Acts 27:22 with Paul promising his fellow-prisoners "for there shall be no loss of any man's life among you". Second compare verse 31 as the stripling warriors "march near the city of Antiparah" to Acts 27:13 as Paul's ship "sailed close by Crete". Now at this point the reader of this analysis might be tempted to think that these are merely coincidental story elements, so delving deeper into uniquely matching phrases may bolster the argument that these are parallel passages. Compare verse 50 with "they would have obtained their purpose" to Acts 27:13 with "supposing that they had obtained their purpose" (note that the phrase "obtained their purpose" is unique within both the KJV bible). There are other rare phrases that these two chapters both share. Compare verse 55 with "fearing lest there were many of them slain" and verse 40 with "lest they should be surrounded" to Acts 27:17 with "fearing lest they should fall into the quicksands" (note there are 3 instances of "fearing lest" and 11 instances of "lest they should" in the KJV bible). Compare verse 29 with "if it were possible to put an end to our receiving provisions" to Acts 27:39 with "if it were possible, to thrust in the ship" (note there are 5 instances of "if it were possible" in the KJV bible). There are other looser parallels also. Both stories speak of "danger" / "dangerous" sailing. Both have groups worried that they might "fall into" something. While Helaman states the stripling warriors "did not fear" and that he experienced "great joy", Paul told his fellow-prisoners to "be of good cheer" and then an angel told him to "Fear not". Lastly, in both there is a plot point that the prisoners are killed by the guards while trying to escape (see Alma 57:32-33) or the guards consider preemptively killing the prisoners to prevent them from escaping (see Acts 27:42). | |
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37 Yea, even to a considerable distance, insomuch that when they saw the army of Antipus pursuing them, with their might, they did not turn to the right nor to the left, but pursued their march in a straight course after us; and, as we suppose, it was their intent to slay us before Antipus should overtake them, and this that they might not be surrounded by our people. | 37 |
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39 And it came to pass that before the dawn of the morning, behold, the Lamanites were pursuing us. Now we were not sufficiently strong to contend with them; yea, I would not suffer that my little sons should fall into their hands; therefore we did continue our march, and we took our march into the wilderness. | 39 |
40 Now they durst not turn to the right nor to the left lest they should be surrounded; neither would I turn to the right nor to the left lest they should overtake me, and we could not stand against them, but be slain, and they would make their escape; and thus we did flee all that day into the wilderness, even until it was dark. | 40 |
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46 For as I had ever called them my sons (for they were all of them very young) even so they said unto me: Father, behold our God is with us, and he will not suffer that we should fall; then let us go forth; we would not slay our brethren if they would let us alone; therefore let us go, lest they should overpower the army of Antipus. | Problem of EvilInternally inconsistent - BoM 461 Doesn’t this contradict Alma 60:12-13? 12 Do ye suppose that, because so many of your brethren have been killed it is because of their wickedness? I say unto you, if ye have supposed this ye have supposed in vain; for I say unto you, there are many who have fallen by the sword; and behold it is to your condemnation; 13 For the Lord suffereth the righteous to be slain that his justice and judgment may come upon the wicked; therefore ye need not suppose that the righteous are lost because they are slain; but behold, they do enter into the rest of the Lord their God. History shows repeatedly that even the most faithful are often killed in battle. Why were these stripling fighters spared, but other faithful believers are not? How would this variation between those who are spared and those who are not be different in a world with no intervening God? Sometimes when the problem of evil is expressed, apologists will argue that God allows evil to be perpetrated because he values moral agency so much that he will not intercede on behalf of the victim out of respect for the agency of the perpetrator. Hopefully most will find this idea of unwillingness to intercede repugnant without further explanation. However, for those needing more explanation, notice that this verse actually affirms that God will intercede to prevent wickedness. |
47 1 Alma 56:46-48
Doesn’t this contradict Alma 60:12-13?
12 Do ye suppose that, because so many of your brethren have been killed it is because of their wickedness? I say unto you, if ye have supposed this ye have supposed in vain; for I say unto you, there are many who have fallen by the sword; and behold it is to your condemnation;
13 For the Lord suffereth the righteous to be slain that his justice and judgment may come upon the wicked; therefore ye need not suppose that the righteous are lost because they are slain; but behold, they do enter into the rest of the Lord their God.
History shows repeatedly that even the most faithful are often killed in battle. Why were these stripling fighters spared, but other faithful believers are not? How would this variation between those who are spared and those who are not be different in a world with no intervening God?
Sometimes when the problem of evil is expressed, apologists will argue that God allows evil to be perpetrated because he values moral agency so much that he will not intercede on behalf of the victim out of respect for the agency of the perpetrator.
Hopefully most will find this idea of unwillingness to intercede repugnant without further explanation. However, for those needing more explanation, notice that this verse actually affirms that God will intercede to prevent wickedness. | |
48 1 Alma 56:46-48
Doesn’t this contradict Alma 60:12-13?
12 Do ye suppose that, because so many of your brethren have been killed it is because of their wickedness? I say unto you, if ye have supposed this ye have supposed in vain; for I say unto you, there are many who have fallen by the sword; and behold it is to your condemnation;
13 For the Lord suffereth the righteous to be slain that his justice and judgment may come upon the wicked; therefore ye need not suppose that the righteous are lost because they are slain; but behold, they do enter into the rest of the Lord their God.
History shows repeatedly that even the most faithful are often killed in battle. Why were these stripling fighters spared, but other faithful believers are not? How would this variation between those who are spared and those who are not be different in a world with no intervening God?
Sometimes when the problem of evil is expressed, apologists will argue that God allows evil to be perpetrated because he values moral agency so much that he will not intercede on behalf of the victim out of respect for the agency of the perpetrator.
Hopefully most will find this idea of unwillingness to intercede repugnant without further explanation. However, for those needing more explanation, notice that this verse actually affirms that God will intercede to prevent wickedness. | |
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AnachronismAnachronism - Sword 511 The only pre-Columbian weapon I can find that was similar to a sword was the macuahuitl which was made with a plank of wood similar in shape to a cricket bat with obsidian blades mounted on the edges. It is similar enough to a sword that it is often referred to as the Aztec sword. However, the macuahuitl does not seem to fit the Book of Mormon time frame. “Some groups of Central Mexico, principally in the transition between the Early and the Late Post-Classic, probably developed this weapon” (emphasis added, Dr. Marco Antonio Cervera Obregón, “The macuahuitl: an innovative weapon of the Late Post-Classic in Mesoamerica”, Arms & Armour, Vol.3, Nov. 2, 2006, p. 146, article from a research journal). The Post-Classic period is between 900 CE and the Spanish conquest. | |
52 And it came to pass that the Lamanites took courage, and began to pursue them; and thus were the Lamanites pursuing them with great vigor when Helaman came upon their rear with his two thousand, and began to slay them exceedingly, insomuch that the whole army of the Lamanites halted and turned upon Helaman. | 52 |
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56 But behold, to my great joy, there had not one soul of them fallen to the earth; yea, and they had fought as if with the strength of God; yea, never were men known to have fought with such miraculous strength; and with such mighty power did they fall upon the Lamanites, that they did frighten them; and for this cause did the Lamanites deliver themselves up as prisoners of war. | 56 |
57 And as we had no place for our prisoners, that we could guard them to keep them from the armies of the Lamanites, therefore we sent them to the land of Zarahemla, and a part of those men who were not slain of Antipus, with them; and the remainder I took and joined them to my stripling Ammonites, and took our march back to the city of Judea. | 57 |