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6 1 Compare this verse with "was led by the Spirit" to the KJV bible verse Galatians 5:18 with "be led of the Spirit". Also this verse strongly resembles the narrative found in Acts 20:22. | |
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10 1 The LDS Church teaches that when personal revelation contradicts the prophets (as in “Thou shalt not kill”—kind of a biggie), that personal revelation is wrong . . . But not for Nephi? How is Nephi killing Laban different from religiously justified terrorism and cultic murder like Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple? Why would it be necessary to kill Laban to obtain the plates? Wouldn’t an all-powerful God be able to provide other solutions? According to 1 Nephi 3:7, God always prepares a way for a person to accomplish what God commands. God commands “Thou shalt not kill,” yet Nephi sees no way to accomplish this commandment. Assuming it is necessary to have the plates to preserve their language and teach the law, God is still mightier than all the earth according to 1 Nephi 4:1. Instead of making it so that Laban could not know where to search for them after regaining consciousness or just giving Laban a common alcohol induced blackout form of amnesia, God commands Nephi to cut off the head of a defenseless man lying unconscious at his feet. Considering the fallibility of prophets and the fallibility of the epistemology of revelation, considering the propensity of God to “test” his adherents (i.e. Abraham and Isaac), what would justify this killing? The explanation given by the Spirit to Nephi (“It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief” - 1 Nephi 4:13) is the same explanation given by the high priest Caiaphas for killing Jesus (“It is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not” – John 11:50). | |
11 1 1 Ne 4:10-13
The LDS Church teaches that when personal revelation contradicts the prophets (as in “Thou shalt not kill”—kind of a biggie), that personal revelation is wrong . . . But not for Nephi? How is Nephi killing Laban different from religiously justified terrorism and cultic murder like Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple?
Why would it be necessary to kill Laban to obtain the plates? Wouldn’t an all-powerful God be able to provide other solutions? According to 1 Nephi 3:7, God always prepares a way for a person to accomplish what God commands. God commands “Thou shalt not kill,” yet Nephi sees no way to accomplish this commandment.
Assuming it is necessary to have the plates to preserve their language and teach the law, God is still mightier than all the earth according to 1 Nephi 4:1. Instead of making it so that Laban could not know where to search for them after regaining consciousness or just giving Laban a common alcohol induced blackout form of amnesia, God commands Nephi to cut off the head of a defenseless man lying unconscious at his feet. Considering the fallibility of prophets and the fallibility of the epistemology of revelation, considering the propensity of God to “test” his adherents (i.e. Abraham and Isaac), what would justify this killing?
The explanation given by the Spirit to Nephi (“It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief” - 1 Nephi 4:13) is the same explanation given by the high priest Caiaphas for killing Jesus (“It is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not” – John 11:50). | |
12 1 1 Ne 4:10-13
The LDS Church teaches that when personal revelation contradicts the prophets (as in “Thou shalt not kill”—kind of a biggie), that personal revelation is wrong . . . But not for Nephi? How is Nephi killing Laban different from religiously justified terrorism and cultic murder like Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple?
Why would it be necessary to kill Laban to obtain the plates? Wouldn’t an all-powerful God be able to provide other solutions? According to 1 Nephi 3:7, God always prepares a way for a person to accomplish what God commands. God commands “Thou shalt not kill,” yet Nephi sees no way to accomplish this commandment.
Assuming it is necessary to have the plates to preserve their language and teach the law, God is still mightier than all the earth according to 1 Nephi 4:1. Instead of making it so that Laban could not know where to search for them after regaining consciousness or just giving Laban a common alcohol induced blackout form of amnesia, God commands Nephi to cut off the head of a defenseless man lying unconscious at his feet. Considering the fallibility of prophets and the fallibility of the epistemology of revelation, considering the propensity of God to “test” his adherents (i.e. Abraham and Isaac), what would justify this killing?
The explanation given by the Spirit to Nephi (“It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief” - 1 Nephi 4:13) is the same explanation given by the high priest Caiaphas for killing Jesus (“It is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not” – John 11:50). | |
13 1 1 Ne 4:10-13
The LDS Church teaches that when personal revelation contradicts the prophets (as in “Thou shalt not kill”—kind of a biggie), that personal revelation is wrong . . . But not for Nephi? How is Nephi killing Laban different from religiously justified terrorism and cultic murder like Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple?
Why would it be necessary to kill Laban to obtain the plates? Wouldn’t an all-powerful God be able to provide other solutions? According to 1 Nephi 3:7, God always prepares a way for a person to accomplish what God commands. God commands “Thou shalt not kill,” yet Nephi sees no way to accomplish this commandment.
Assuming it is necessary to have the plates to preserve their language and teach the law, God is still mightier than all the earth according to 1 Nephi 4:1. Instead of making it so that Laban could not know where to search for them after regaining consciousness or just giving Laban a common alcohol induced blackout form of amnesia, God commands Nephi to cut off the head of a defenseless man lying unconscious at his feet. Considering the fallibility of prophets and the fallibility of the epistemology of revelation, considering the propensity of God to “test” his adherents (i.e. Abraham and Isaac), what would justify this killing?
The explanation given by the Spirit to Nephi (“It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief” - 1 Nephi 4:13) is the same explanation given by the high priest Caiaphas for killing Jesus (“It is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not” – John 11:50). | |
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15 2 Why couldn’t they have the law through revelation? Think about how often the Lehites are reported to receive direct communication from God. Couldn’t God use ongoing revelation to provide a path for Nephi to keep the commandment to not kill? Why couldn’t God have provided the contents of the brass plates to the Lehites by a seer stone in a hat kind of method like he did to Joseph Smith? Joseph didn’t use the plates to do the translation, so why would the Lehites need the brass plates to know what’s on them? (See Book of Mormon Translation) Or, God could have used the liahona. 1 Nephi 16:26-29 tells us that God used the liahona to write instructions to the Lehites. Wouldn’t that have been a better way than killing an unconscious man? | |
16 2 1 Ne 4:15-16
Why couldn’t they have the law through revelation? Think about how often the Lehites are reported to receive direct communication from God. Couldn’t God use ongoing revelation to provide a path for Nephi to keep the commandment to not kill? Why couldn’t God have provided the contents of the brass plates to the Lehites by a seer stone in a hat kind of method like he did to Joseph Smith? Joseph didn’t use the plates to do the translation, so why would the Lehites need the brass plates to know what’s on them? (See [Book of Mormon Translation](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/book-of-mormon-translation?lang=eng)) Or, God could have used the liahona. 1 Nephi 16:26-29 tells us that God used the liahona to write instructions to the Lehites. Wouldn’t that have been a better way than killing an unconscious man? | |
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18 2 I think this verse presents some challenges. First, the LDS Church teaches that when personal revelation contradicts the prophets (as in “Thou shalt not kill”—kind of a biggie), that personal revelation is wrong . . . but not for Nephi? How is Nephi killing Laban different from religiously justified terrorism and cultic murder like Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple? According to 1 Ne 3:7, God always prepares a way for a person to accomplish what God commands. God commands “Thou shalt not kill,” yet Nephi sees no way to accomplish this commandment. Assuming it is necessary to have the plates to preserve their language and teach the law, God is still mightier than all the earth according to 1 Ne 4:1. Instead of making it so that Laban could not know where to search for them after regaining consciousness or just giving Laban a common alcohol induced blackout form of amnesia, God commands Nephi to cut off the head of a defenseless man lying unconscious at his feet. Considering the fallibility of prophets and the fallibility of the epistemology of revelation, considering the propensity of God to “test” his adherents (i.e. Abraham and Isaac), what would justify this killing? And, think about the mechanics of taking Laban by the hair with one hand and swinging a sword with the other hand with sufficient force and accuracy to smite off a head. | |
19 1 Nephi just cut off Laban’s head. Wouldn’t there be a lot of blood all over Laban’s clothes? It is possible that he took Laban’s clothes off first, so maybe the blood on Laban’s clothes is not an issue, but Nephi probably would have had a lot of blood on himself. | |
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Narrative Contradiction 211 Which way is it? The servant is so observant that he recognizes his master’s clothes and his master’s sword, but he’s so unobservant that he doesn’t notice a very young imposter imitating his master? | |
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