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6 1 For many decades LDS apostles and prophets taught that this abominable church was the Catholic Church. Seems at least some of these leaders have repented of this conclusion as Elder Oaks states: “This great and abominable church must be something far more pervasive and widespread than a single “church,” as we understand that term today. It must be any philosophy or organization that opposes belief in God” (Stand as Witnesses of God). Of course, Elder Oaks goes even further to quote 1 John 4:3: “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist.” Since there are about five billion non-Christians in the world, there are quite a few anti-Christs if that’s how an anti-Christ is defined. | |
7 1 1 Ne 13:6-8
For many decades LDS apostles and prophets taught that this abominable church was the Catholic Church. Seems at least some of these leaders have repented of this conclusion as Elder Oaks states:
“This great and abominable church must be something far more pervasive and widespread than a single “church,” as we understand that term today. It must be any philosophy or organization that opposes belief in God”
([Stand as Witnesses of God](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2015/03/stand-as-witnesses-of-god?lang=eng)).
Of course, Elder Oaks goes even further to quote 1 John 4:3:
“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist.”
Since there are about five billion non-Christians in the world, there are quite a few anti-Christs if that’s how an anti-Christ is defined. | |
8 1 1 Ne 13:6-8
For many decades LDS apostles and prophets taught that this abominable church was the Catholic Church. Seems at least some of these leaders have repented of this conclusion as Elder Oaks states:
“This great and abominable church must be something far more pervasive and widespread than a single “church,” as we understand that term today. It must be any philosophy or organization that opposes belief in God”
([Stand as Witnesses of God](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2015/03/stand-as-witnesses-of-god?lang=eng)).
Of course, Elder Oaks goes even further to quote 1 John 4:3:
“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist.”
Since there are about five billion non-Christians in the world, there are quite a few anti-Christs if that’s how an anti-Christ is defined. | |
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Lineage-DNA 101 Many apologists claim that the prior teaching of the apostles and prophets and of the D&C that the Book of Mormon indicates Native Americans were for the most part literal descendants of Lehi is based on faulty assumptions. But this verse tells us the gentiles (those not of the house of Israel) were separated from the seed of Nephi’s brothers. That couldn’t be true if many gentiles were also in the Americas before Europeans arrived. (See also 2 Ne 1:9) | |
11 1 Instead of the wrath of God, wasn’t it bigotry and colonial imperialism that scattered and slaughtered Native Americans? | |
12 And I looked and beheld a man among the Gentiles, who was separated from the seed of my brethren by the many waters; and I beheld the Spirit of God, that it came down and wrought upon the man; and he went forth upon the many waters, even unto the seed of my brethren, who were in the promised land. | 12 1 The Church has declared unequivocally that this man among the Gentiles whom the Spirit wrought upon was Christopher Columbus (Book of Mormon Student Manual for Religion 121-122 copyrighted 2009, pp. 27-28). Considering the brutality that Columbus himself would inflict and that his explorations would unleash, what might we conclude about a God that inspires such things? I have referred elsewhere to colonial imperialism and cultural colonialism in reference to other verses in the Book of Mormon, but something about this reference to Columbus seems more aptly described as manifest destiny. Please refer to “Response to Manifest Destiny – Taught at Brigham Young University Education Week” to see what I mean (Response to Manifest Destiny). |
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14 1 So God exercises his wrath on the Lamanites more than 1,000 years after their wickedness in destroying the Nephites? But, if verse 14 were true, then are we not to conclude that this genocide and abuse committed by those of European descent was condoned by God? Instead of the wrath of God, wasn’t it bigotry and colonial imperialism that scattered and slaughtered Native Americans? | |
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20 1 Thoughts below are from piotrkaplanstwo at exMormon Reddit.
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23 And he said: Behold it proceedeth out of the mouth of a Jew. And I, Nephi, beheld it; and he said unto me: The book that thou beholdest is a record of the Jews, which contains the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; and it also containeth many of the prophecies of the holy prophets; and it is a record like unto the engravings which are upon the plates of brass, save there are not so many; nevertheless, they contain the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; wherefore, they are of great worth unto the Gentiles. | 23 |
24 And the angel of the Lord said unto me: Thou hast beheld that the book proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew; and when it proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew it contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record; and they bear record according to the truth which is in the Lamb of God. | 24 |
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26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away. | 26 |
27 1 Both this verse and Acts 13:10 contain the highly specific phrase "pervert the right ways of the Lord" which is unique within the KJV bible (see also 1 Nephi 22:14). Note that the phrase "ways of the Lord" only occurs 6 times in the KJV bible and only once with a variation of the verb "pervert" and the adjective "right". | |
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29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest--because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God--because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them. | 29 |
30 Nevertheless, thou beholdest that the Gentiles who have gone forth out of captivity, and have been lifted up by the power of God above all other nations, upon the face of the land which is choice above all other lands, which is the land that the Lord God hath covenanted with thy father that his seed should have for the land of their inheritance; wherefore, thou seest that the Lord God will not suffer that the Gentiles will utterly destroy the mixture of thy seed, which are among thy brethren. | Lineage-DNA 301 So the seed of Nephi and of Nephi’s brothers are not destroyed. Who are they then? Genetically, culturally, anthropologically, linguistically, etc. we see no evidence of Lamanites or Nephites. |
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So the seed of Nephi and of Nephi’s brothers are not destroyed. Who are they then? Genetically, culturally, anthropologically, linguistically, etc. we see no evidence of Lamanites or Nephites. | |
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34 And it came to pass that the angel of the Lord spake unto me, saying: Behold, saith the Lamb of God, after I have visited the remnant of the house of Israel--and this remnant of whom I speak is the seed of thy father--wherefore, after I have visited them in judgment, and smitten them by the hand of the Gentiles, and after the Gentiles do stumble exceedingly, because of the most plain and precious parts of the gospel of the Lamb which have been kept back by that abominable church, which is the mother of harlots, saith the Lamb--I will be merciful unto the Gentiles in that day, insomuch that I will bring forth unto them, in mine own power, much of my gospel, which shall be plain and precious, saith the Lamb. | 34 |
35 For, behold, saith the Lamb: I will manifest myself unto thy seed, that they shall write many things which I shall minister unto them, which shall be plain and precious; and after thy seed shall be destroyed, and dwindle in unbelief, and also the seed of thy brethren, behold, these things shall be hid up, to come forth unto the Gentiles, by the gift and power of the Lamb. | 35 |
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37 And blessed are they who shall seek to bring forth my Zion at that day, for they shall have the gift and the power of the Holy Ghost; and if they endure unto the end they shall be lifted up at the last day, and shall be saved in the everlasting kingdom of the Lamb; and whoso shall publish peace, yea, tidings of great joy, how beautiful upon the mountains shall they be. | 37 |
38 1 These verses indicate various books (will come forth to convince gentiles, Jews, and Lehites that the records of the prophets and apostles are true. This seems to be a reference to the Book of Mormon and/or other books like it. I don't think this will ever do much to convince gentiles, Jews, or Lehites that LDS scripture is true, at least not to any significant portion of the population. Maybe it will happen, but I don’t see it. As of 16 Mar 2018 Church members in USA: 6,592,195 Population in USA: 327,000,000 or, only 2.0% (for most recent numbers: Church Newsroom and U.S. Census Bureau). According to the Pew Research Center, only 1.6% in the USA claim affiliation with the Church. Also keep in mind that the portion of members worldwide is much lower than this. | |
39 And after it had come forth unto them I beheld other books, which came forth by the power of the Lamb, from the Gentiles unto them, unto the convincing of the Gentiles and the remnant of the seed of my brethren, and also the Jews who were scattered upon all the face of the earth, that the records of the prophets and of the twelve apostles of the Lamb are true. | 39 1 1 Ne 13:38-39
These verses indicate various books (will come forth to convince gentiles, Jews, and Lehites that the records of the prophets and apostles are true. This seems to be a reference to the Book of Mormon and/or other books like it. I don't think this will ever do much to convince gentiles, Jews, or Lehites that LDS scripture is true, at least not to any significant portion of the population. Maybe it will happen, but I don’t see it.
As of 16 Mar 2018
Church members in USA: 6,592,195
Population in USA: 327,000,000
or, only 2.0%
(for most recent numbers: [Church Newsroom](https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/facts-and-statistics/country/united-states) and [U.S. Census Bureau](https://www.census.gov/popclock)).
According to the Pew Research Center, only 1.6% in the USA claim affiliation with the Church. Also keep in mind that the portion of members worldwide is much lower than this. |
40 And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved. | TrinitarianChanging Doctrine 401 In the first edition of the Book of Mormon, this verse reads: These last records...shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Savior of the world; This is in line with Joseph Smith's earlier Trinitarian beliefs that Jesus and the eternal Father are one and the same. |
41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth. | 41 |
42 And the time cometh that he shall manifest himself unto all nations, both unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles; and after he has manifested himself unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles, then he shall manifest himself unto the Gentiles and also unto the Jews, and the last shall be first, and the first shall be last. | 42 |