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1 And it came to pass that the brother of Jared, (now the number of the vessels which had been prepared was eight) went forth unto the mount, which they called the mount Shelem, because of its exceeding height, and did molten out of a rock sixteen small stones; and they were white and clear, even as transparent glass; and he did carry them in his hands upon the top of the mount, and cried again unto the Lord, saying: | 1 |
2 O Lord, thou hast said that we must be encompassed about by the floods. Now behold, O Lord, and do not be angry with thy servant because of his weakness before thee; for we know that thou art holy and dwellest in the heavens, and that we are unworthy before thee; because of the fall our natures have become evil continually; nevertheless, O Lord, thou hast given us a commandment that we must call upon thee, that from thee we may receive according to our desires. | 2 |
3 Behold, O Lord, thou hast smitten us because of our iniquity, and hast driven us forth, and for these many years we have been in the wilderness; nevertheless, thou hast been merciful unto us. O Lord, look upon me in pity, and turn away thine anger from this thy people, and suffer not that they shall go forth across this raging deep in darkness; but behold these things which I have molten out of the rock. | 3 |
4 And I know, O Lord, that thou hast all power, and can do whatsoever thou wilt for the benefit of man; therefore touch these stones, O Lord, with thy finger, and prepare them that they may shine forth in darkness; and they shall shine forth unto us in the vessels which we have prepared, that we may have light while we shall cross the sea. | 4 |
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6 And it came to pass that when the brother of Jared had said these words, behold, the Lord stretched forth his hand and touched the stones one by one with his finger. And the veil was taken from off the eyes of the brother of Jared, and he saw the finger of the Lord; and it was as the finger of a man, like unto flesh and blood; and the brother of Jared fell down before the Lord, for he was struck with fear. | 6 |
7 1 In verse 4 the brother of Jared asks the Lord to, “touch these stones, O Lord, with thy finger.” He expected the Lord to have a finger, yet when he sees that the Lord has a finger, he falls to the earth out of fear? | |
8 1 Ether 3:7-8
In verse 4 the brother of Jared asks the Lord to, “touch these stones, O Lord, with thy finger.” He expected the Lord to have a finger, yet when he sees that the Lord has a finger, he falls to the earth out of fear? | |
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Trinitarian 141 Jesus Christ is the Father and the Son. This is in-line with Joseph Smith's early trinitarian beliefs that Jesus and Heavenly Father are one and the same. | |
Trinitarian 151 Jesus Christ is the Father and the Son.
This is in-line with Joseph Smith's early trinitarian beliefs that Jesus and Heavenly Father are one and the same. | |
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Trinitarian 171 Again, Jesus is God. This seems Trinitarian. Some defend some seemingly Trinitarian Book of Mormon references as not contradicting current Mormon godhead doctrine (see The Doctrine of God the Father in the Book of Mormon), but in context of doctrine taught in the “Lectures on Faith” how sound is this defense? From the “Lectures on Faith” that used to be in the Doctrine and Covenants until the 1921 edition: “The Father being a personage of spirit, glory, and power, possessing all perfection and fulness. The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, is a personage of tabernacle . . . He is called the Son because of the flesh . . . He, possessing the same mind with the Father, which mind is the Holy Spirit that bears record of the Father and the Son.” “Questions and Answers for Lecture 5? 3. Q—How many personages are there in the Godhead? A—Two: the Father and Son (Lecture 5: 1). 13. Q—Do the Father and the Son possess the same mind? A—They do . . . 14. Q—What is this mind? A—The Holy Spirit” (Lecture 5). | |
18 1 Ether 3:17-18
Again, Jesus is God. This seems Trinitarian.
Some defend some seemingly Trinitarian Book of Mormon references as not contradicting current Mormon godhead doctrine (see [The Doctrine of God the Father in the Book of Mormon](https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/book-mormon-treasury/doctrine-god-father-book-mormon)), but in context of doctrine taught in the “Lectures on Faith” how sound is this defense?
From the “Lectures on Faith” that used to be in the Doctrine and Covenants until the 1921 edition:
“The Father being a personage of spirit, glory, and power, possessing all perfection and fulness. The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, is a personage of tabernacle . . . He is called the Son because of the flesh . . . He, possessing the same mind with the Father, which mind is the Holy Spirit that bears record of the Father and the Son.”
“Questions and Answers for Lecture 5?
3. Q—How many personages are there in the Godhead?
A—Two: the Father and Son (Lecture 5: 1).
13. Q—Do the Father and the Son possess the same mind?
A—They do . . .
14. Q—What is this mind?
A—The Holy Spirit”
([Lecture 5](https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/lectures-faith-historical-perspective/lectures-faith-1990-edited-version/lecture-5)). | |
19 1 We see that according to Mormon scripture, once you know, nothing doubting, you no longer have faith, in that thing you know at least. But, President Monson told us that faith is having absolutely no doubt (Be an Example and a Light, by President Thomas S. Monson). Which way is it? | |
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21 And it came to pass that the Lord said unto the brother of Jared: Behold, thou shalt not suffer these things which ye have seen and heard to go forth unto the world, until the time cometh that I shall glorify my name in the flesh; wherefore, ye shall treasure up the things which ye have seen and heard, and show it to no man. | 21 |
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